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	<title>Comments on: Firefox 3 Beta 4 and IE8 Beta 1</title>
	<link>http://www.luckymonkey.co.uk/www/firefox-3-beta-4-and-ie8-beta-1/66</link>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://www.luckymonkey.co.uk/www/firefox-3-beta-4-and-ie8-beta-1/66#comment-349</link>
		<author>alex</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it is an option to give the user a way to see the page the author intended, then at best, it's misnamed, and should just be called 'compatibility mode'.

Besides (and playing devils advocate), is there anything really wrong with forcing people to update their sites so that they are actually built properly, and in the process, hopefully making the web more future proof, more accessible, etc etc?

Thirdly, if you *can* force the browser into a previous rendering mode, how is that a step forwards in any way. It's certainly not quicker than the current FF beta (although, granted, we are only at beta 1), and now you can push it into the previous rendering mode to boot.. huh. If you don't force people to do something, then they won't, and we'll presumably have to wait for IE9 for the IE8 rendering mode button, so that people will update their sites for IE8?

It's not that I don't think IE8 as a whole isn't a good thing - i'm sure that it is, and I hope that the activities options open up social networking to a whole new set of people (and in the process, cause IT departments the world over a headache), it's just that I really think you either update the browser, or you don't - and at the moment, I don't really think with the option there, it's the update which it should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it is an option to give the user a way to see the page the author intended, then at best, it&#8217;s misnamed, and should just be called &#8216;compatibility mode&#8217;.</p>
<p>Besides (and playing devils advocate), is there anything really wrong with forcing people to update their sites so that they are actually built properly, and in the process, hopefully making the web more future proof, more accessible, etc etc?</p>
<p>Thirdly, if you *can* force the browser into a previous rendering mode, how is that a step forwards in any way. It&#8217;s certainly not quicker than the current FF beta (although, granted, we are only at beta 1), and now you can push it into the previous rendering mode to boot.. huh. If you don&#8217;t force people to do something, then they won&#8217;t, and we&#8217;ll presumably have to wait for IE9 for the IE8 rendering mode button, so that people will update their sites for IE8?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that I don&#8217;t think IE8 as a whole isn&#8217;t a good thing - i&#8217;m sure that it is, and I hope that the activities options open up social networking to a whole new set of people (and in the process, cause IT departments the world over a headache), it&#8217;s just that I really think you either update the browser, or you don&#8217;t - and at the moment, I don&#8217;t really think with the option there, it&#8217;s the update which it should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Allen [msft]</title>
		<link>http://www.luckymonkey.co.uk/www/firefox-3-beta-4-and-ie8-beta-1/66#comment-330</link>
		<author>Joshua Allen [msft]</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.luckymonkey.co.uk/www/firefox-3-beta-4-and-ie8-beta-1/66#comment-330</guid>
		<description>"Emulate IE7" button has little to do with confidence in the roadmap for IE8.  The issue is that millions of sites were written for IE7 and the site authors will not lockstep upgrade a million sites just because MSFT releases a new browser.  Gives the user an option to see the page the way the author intended it to be seen, rather than the way some standards advocates want it to be broken to "force people to update their sites".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Emulate IE7&#8243; button has little to do with confidence in the roadmap for IE8.  The issue is that millions of sites were written for IE7 and the site authors will not lockstep upgrade a million sites just because MSFT releases a new browser.  Gives the user an option to see the page the way the author intended it to be seen, rather than the way some standards advocates want it to be broken to &#8220;force people to update their sites&#8221;.</p>
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